Question of the Day>Thoughts about the Matterport Capture Services Webinar?11538
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| Hi All, The WGAN Forum Question of the Day for Thursday, 16 April 2020: What are your thoughts about the Matterport Capture Services Webinar held earlier today, Thursday, 16 April 2020? Dan |
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| Not enough info - I already knew most of the info they talked about.....waiting to see their invitation | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by @Gerhard |
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Quote:Originally Posted by @ArchimedStudio |
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Quote:Originally Posted by @3SixtyNow |
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| If I could join, I would. To me it is another stream of income. But since I do not have at least 20 scans, I do not qualify. | ||
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| Waiting for invite | ||
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| I have over 20 scans but don't have a hosting account any longer - how can they check that? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by @Gerhard |
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Quote:Originally Posted by @Gerhard |
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Regina, Saskatchewan Canada |
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| If one of you contact our company and ask us to do a scan for one of your clients for these rates and our agreement is simply that we do the scan (with necessary window/mirror markings and trimwork) and then upload it to your account and you take care of the long term hosting and do all the stuff on the back end, I would agree to that agreement every day of the week. I'll sign up. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by @Gerhard |
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| @DanSmigrod Thanks Dan for the forum firstly, I know we have done this many times over the past 5 years , wow been that long now . But allowing us to use this forum as our "speakers corner / soap box" for this community. I would love you to call a downhill with Mr Pitmann and Co as I think they have a lot to answer for, and this is the perfect time as everyone is at home so ether can be no excuses. I have looked at those prices that is daylight robbery we can do the work for half of that why is Matterport charging so high? How will Matterport make money ? *sarcasm. Those prices are crazy low. TIME = MONEY I will charge for a 6000sqft+ easy $1499.00+ with all the trimmings done on the tour. So why will I go and scan for $470.00 ??? Oh yes, I know why because guys could not sell tours so they started dropping their prices and by doing that also their perceived value. |
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| Matterport will have to hire scanners - I don't see any other way they can make this work. Pay would have to be $800-$1200 per week depending on area of country. They would have to offer full benefits and a company car. Otherwise they will be banging their heads against the wall. | ||
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| I just looked at the pricing again: Where did they get those costings from? I get a floorpan done like this for $10.00 , done within 12 hours.  |
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| I guess I have to buy a Pro2 camera to join! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Gerhard |
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| @3SixtyNow Maybe they will do a trade in program like Apple ? | ||
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| @Queen_City_3D I agree with that, if all we have to do is the scan, then these prices are reasonable. | ||
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| Has anyone seen the contract that they would make you sign? | ||
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| @izoneguy Aside from those that participated in the beta, I could imagine that you will receive an invite to the Matterport Capture Services 11 am ET tomorrow, Friday, 17 April 2020. Dan |
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| I have a question for them... Will our branding be on those tours? If not we are now working for the "man" then. So I don't see how that will benefit your business if the tours don't have your branding on them. It's all going to be a win for them and not us. But let us see what is going to come from this. Again locked into their eco system. |
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| @Gerhard No, I don't suspect your branding would be on the tour, and Yes, you would be working for the Man. That said I don't see anything wrong with that. Money is money. Our company has done several scans for other MSPs where the clients are not "ours" and our branding certainly doesn't go on their scans. Similarly we've had opportunity to sub-contract several dozen scans to other MSPs in various areas to scan for one of our clients. When I hire another MSP to do work for us, I negotiate the rate down to a mutually acceptable price explaining that all I need is the scan done and we will do all the back end work and we will be responsible for hosting of model. When other MSPs have contacted us to do a job for them, it's been the same expectation. Scan only. Upload to their account. They do hosting and any back end stuff. And we negotiate a rate that works for us and them. Personally I am very open to involvement in the Matterport program. |
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| As was stated, a new income stream is always welcomed. We are also located in an area that we do not infringe on anyone else. We have our state and several others around us that does not have MPs. We also already have several 3rd party engineering companies that have contracts with large chains that utilize us in several states. We have done between 3 and 4k scans over the last 4 years and look forward to adding many more. |
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| It really depends on what you charge now. Let's just talk money... For me I will need to convert to metric and AUD. My maximum is $2 per sqm(and a minimum tour cost is $260 AUD), Matterport is offering a maximum of $1.56 AUD(minimum tour cost is $306). That's about 24% less in a price per sqm. I'd look at this this way, would I pay somebody 24% if they could bring me clients? I do not know about 24% but for a lot of jobs coming from one single source I would pay 20% commision for sure. Now, considering I do not have to do any post production, long emails with clients, no hosting fees and all that stuff it does not sound bad. The only two bits that worry me are 35 mile radius(quite a big territory) and Matterport minimum of AUD$306(US$190). Imagine somebody with small under 2000 sqm properties scattered over that huge area. |
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| (Cautiously dipping toes into this discussion's waters...) I've only had just over a year's experience with MP, and in that year I've hit some topics that make me cringe - primarily the classic to active pricing change, and expect there's more heartbreak to come on that topic. I started to cringe as I heard this topic, and got up at 3am our time to understand it better. I think MSPs can be rightfully upset that they bought into a (now dated) ethos from MP to buy their gear, and getting many many leads via customers 'looking for an expert' on the MP site. If you based our business model solely off these leads, I'm guessing you'd have alot of spare time. Our businesses grow because of the work we all do on the ground, growing a customer base of people/businesses who trust us, for the quality we deliver, for the price we charge. And that will never change. I also raised my eyebrows at MP's claim in the webinar that this is in response to customers reporting (from memory) poor quality and price inconsistency from MSPs serving the market. Personally I would have positioned this as gaps in the end-to-end environment MP has created as there are very poor handshakes between MP leads and MSPs, and no real forums in which such concerns could be tackled. But I think there is still a sufficient justification for the new program. MP are chasing big fish customers who don't want to be the experts (which is good for MSPs) and don't want to deal with multiple MSPs with variable pricing from area to area (a valid concern from the customer's perspective). Plus MP don't want to employ staff to do the scanning (another good thing for MSPs). Does this program mean MP are competing with MSPs? Well in most cases, unless you already have Colliers, CBRE etc as customers - no. This is a market opportunity MSPs may never have been able to realise and comes with lower overheads - it's a confirmed booking, not a lead. Is the price right? I don't know. How will they get consistent quality? No idea. Could it fail? Absolutely, MP's customer management often leaves room for improvement, and I think we can all see them potentially pissing off these big customers without the right relationship in place with the MSPs doing the scans. Plus MP themselves don't want to do the work on the ground (also good for MSPs). So should we resist it? In my opinion - No. Despite how this new endeavour upsets you, impacts you, is different from what you signed up for - it is what MP are doing. By all means we should constructively voice any displeasure but remember this is not a democracy. It is the world of private enterprise and MP are making decisions that they think will make them more money. If you think they've breached their agreement with you, take legal action. If not but you still don't like it, then don't sign up and/or get out of the business. Because for everyone who says 'no', there will be someone else who looks at this as a way to enter the market and/or increase their market share. There will be someone who accepts the lower payback to give them cashflow with lower profitability, but on a consistent basis on which they can grow the other avenues of their business. Therefore I believe it's prudent to focus on ensuring MP do this right; we give feedback on what could go wrong and how we suggest MP stop it (e.g. if this program does start robbing existing customers from MSPs, and how to get quality standards in play). Ensure the $ stays a live topic with MP. I also look forward to the benefit of MP's capabilities, excluding the extension of them via the SDK and API, becoming more common knowledge between larger players in the market. I'd prefer to walk into a Collier's competitor's office with them telling me about MP, than me having to teach them about it. They have the capital backing to do more things around core MP capability, and this in turn will unlock new options - as we are doing with PPV, Tag Import and (soon) Open Archive. And if we keep doing what we are doing - growing a customer base of people/businesses who trust us, for the quality we deliver, for the price we charge - the market will notice. They will know they can get bulk pricing via MP but if they want expert help - MSPs are where you go (though I'd like to read the fine print around this point...) I've suggested to Jay before on another topic, and I think it also fits here - if only we could convince MP to establish some formal consultative forums/channels where such things can be tabled, considered, responded to and the outcomes published. It would save us all these keystrokes on WGAN (sorry Dan), let MSPs feel more listened to, and strengthen rather than diminish the relationship between MP, MSPs and now - Matterport Capture Technicians. |
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